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In The News : C.Rooney And C.Apostle Talk About MJ & Music Industry

Posted by MoonDJ on 2009/8/14 17:35:52  News by the same author
Music executive Chris Apostle began his stint as Vice President of Special Recording Projects at Sony Music Entertainment.
For the last 20 years, Apostle has been friends with producer/songwriter Cory Rooney. During his time at Epic, Cory became friends with Michael Jackson.
While working on music with Michael, Rooney had an opportunity to see a side of Jackson few ever did.

In 1993, music executive Chris Apostle began his stint as Vice President of Special Recording Projects at Sony Music Entertainment. He would become better known as Tommy Mottolaís Ė the companyís topper and a music industry legend Ė right hand man, working with everyone from Mariah Carey to Jennifer Lopez to Marc Anthony.

For the last 20 years, Apostle has been friends with producer/songwriter Cory Rooney. In 1998, Mottola named Rooney Epicís Vice President of A&R. VH1 has called Rooney the best kept secret in the music industry. He has written and produced for artists including Jennifer Lopez, Mary J Blige, and Destinyís Child among others. During his time at Epic, Cory became friends with Michael Jackson.

While working on music with Michael, Rooney had an opportunity to see a side of Jackson few ever did.

Rooney was not surprised when Jackson lashed out at then Sony head Tommy Mottola in 2002. He says Michael felt nobody was in his corner, that he wasnít getting the love and respect he deserved. Apostle clarifies that stars at that level are often under extraordinary pressure and may say things in the heat of the moment. Both men were major players during pop musicís peak.

Most importantly, Rooney and Apostle hope people remember Michael Jacksonís contributions to music and as Apostle says, recognize the musicologist he was.


Chris Yandek:

Cory, you had a chance to work with Michael, you wrote and produced some songs with him. What was your relationship like with him?

Cory Rooney:
Itís funny, someone asked me this the other day and I said, ĎI waited all my life and my career pretty much to finally get a chance to work with Michael, be recognized, to have my talent recognized by Michael.í When it came time finally for us to get in the studio, we spent almost a month of just talking and he was educating me on like so many different things. We barely got a lot of music done. It was a completely different experience than I thought it was going to be.Ē

Chris Yandek:
Kind of like almost an utter distraction, not getting work done and talking about a bunch of other things?

Cory Rooney:
Yeah. Then the relationship quickly turned into me being an executive at the time. I think I felt like my strengths for him at the time more so than being a writer or producer, but to be his inside man at the time because it was weird. He felt like at the time at Sony that he didnít really have any allies or anyone that was going to be in his corner.Ē

Chris Yandek:
Really?

Cory Rooney:
It was amazing! I quickly became his number one ally at the company.

Chris Yandek:
So what did you learn from him in that time that you became his ally? Like who he was? It just seems like there were always people trying to leach off of him and telling him to do one thing or another. It seemed like he didnít at some point have control of his life, am I right?

Cory Rooney:
Yeah. I mean thatís the Ė you hit it on the head. I mean, it was to the point. The first thing that I started to learn about him is that heís always so eager to please. He was so eager to please that he kinda over thought a lot of things. Itís like he would have an album done and I would listen to all this music and say, ĎMichael, this is unbelievable!í [Michael]: ĎYeah, but I donít think itís ready yetí Because heís got a million people in his ear telling him different things in different directions. He was easily led in all sorts of directions by people and I was amazed by the fact that he was so easily led.

Chris Yandek:
Chris, I have to say for more than a decade there you were a major player at "Sony Music Entertainment". What were your dealings with Michael and what did you learn about him while he was with Sony?

Chris Apostle:
Well, my dealings unlike Cory were very limited. The actual time I spent with him was just a couple of days. He was doing a mix of a track with Jay Z and Jay Z had already become quite a player in the business. I just remember walking in the studio before Michael had gotten there and Jay Z was working on lyrics for what he was going to do and I just remember that Jay Z almost was, I never saw him so humble. He was almost a little bit nervously excited that he was working with Michael Jackson. That left a lasting impression to me.

Iím older than Cory and I grew up with Michael since he began. The thing that I learned on the inside from the Sony side was most people, the executives like Cory was saying, giving him direction, all these ideas, what he should do and shouldnít do, the thing that I think was most forgotten about Michael and what he did was Michael was always working on music. You hear all the other stuff going on and everything, but itís funny you watch like a recent interview, that Martin Bashir thing and Martin was saying, ĎWell, itís good youíre working on music again.í And it was extremely poignant when he said, ĎIíve always been working on music.í What do you think Cory? He probably has a couple hundred tracks sitting in the tank somewhere.

Chris Yandek:
There was a news report that I read an article the other day and he has 200 unpublished songs that are left to his children that they can profit off and itís valued at somewhere near 60 million dollars Chris.

Cory Rooney:
Right. I think that was kind of the old Motown way. Stevie Wonder has over 2000 songs that heís stored and put away for the same purpose. True. Michael was always working on music. AlwaysÖalways working on music. Like I said, he was never really satisfied with himself.

Chris Yandek:
The comments he made about Tommy Mottola many years ago, the comments he wasnít happy with the album he released back in 2002. It was 30 million dollars that was put behind it, but were you surprised when he made those very candid comments calling Tommy Mottola a bunch of different things?

Cory Rooney:
I was not surprised. Like I said, he didnít really feel like he had people in his corner at the record company. For the most part, I donít think people really showed him the love and respect that they shouldíve been showing him at the record company. True, they may have spent 30 million dollars on the record, but at the same time the business affairs on that record was set up to the point where Michael couldnít win if he wanted win. You understand?

Chris Yandek:
Yeah.

Cory Rooney:
They set it up and they put such a high marker on the record in terms of his recoupment and things like that. It was kind of a loseÖlose situation. And they did that like to dangle a carrot and say ok, we want you to do the whole thing. We want you to sell records. We want you to tour. They thought that he was going to go running after the carrots saying, ĎMan, I gotta do all this so I can recoup.

Chris Yandek:
Chris, thoughts?

Chris Apostle:
A powerful artist like Michael, heís not the first artist that has ever decided when heís not comfortable at his home, the label to sit there and decides heís going to take some shots and say his piece. When artists at his level arenít comfortable they say things. Someone like him, who only dealt with the top level Ė Japan and Mottola and stuff like that, he came out and said heís fine. Iím sure the frustration level was out of control. There is a lot of circumstances that pushed him to that point.

The thing that Iím so brutally offended about and itís only a rumor, but itís something I really believe, but I really think he got blackmailed in that whole scandal thing. I think at some point the truth will come out. This man gave people millions and millions of dollars to philanthropic stuff. Never comes out what he did. I think his reactions were natural and Iím sure he was getting pushed. If you look at the quality of his work Chris, go back to Off The Wall, which is my favorite Michael Jackson record. But every single record, I donít care if you go to Dangerous, any single one, these records are perfect, blue book standard records, nothing but hits.

Cory and I sat in an office at Sony once and watched a concert, a live DVD. A colleague of ours Ron Grant called us in and said, ĎYou guys want to watch something?í

And weíre figuring alright, middle of day, weíll watch something for five to ten minutes. It was unedited, two and a half hours from a stadium at Brazil. He never stopped working for two and a half hours. The point that I would love to make about him is that heís not getting enough play for what he has contributed to the world musically. Heís probably, arguably the greatest musician weíll ever see in our lifetime. Youíll never see anything like this again. That has to be discussed and mentioned.

Chris Yandek:
How will the music industry be affected going forward now?

Cory Rooney:
I donít really think the music industry has taken a deep enough look at what Michael Jackson meant to everybody, all of us artists, producers, actors, actresses, all of us, entertainment as a whole. I donít think that they took a deep enough look because everyone is too busy with their head up their own butt. When Michael was on trial, nobodyÖnobody stopped to go and support him at the trial.

Chris Yandek:
Yup.

Cory Rooney:
The guy is acquitted on ten counts of child molestation. No one said, ĎSorry Michael.í No one said, ĎMichael, we knew you were innocent.í No one did a BET tribute to him then. Nobody played his music and did a marathon then. Nobody rallied up and did a concert. Why should Michael have to go on tour to raise money? How come all of the artists didnít band together and say, ĎHey! You know what? Letís do a tour like Michael did the We Are The World Tour and letís raise some money. Letís get this thing going.í No one did that. Tookie Williams is the founder of the crips gang. You know the crips and the bloods.

Chris Yandek:
Yes.

Cory Rooney:
They were trying to get him pardoned from the death penalty and half of Hollywood showed up for this man. What I canít understand is like, ok people didnít want to go near Michael Jackson when he was in trouble.

Chris Yandek:
But they show up for a murder.

Cory Rooney:
But they show up for a guy who executed families. A little girl begged for her life and he executed her. They said because he wrote in his time in prison he wrote childrenís books that he tried to turn his life around. He was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. Well, how about the millions of children Michael Jackson has helped over the span of his career? Yet two children come with some false allegations and those two children become the two children that destroy him. Itís crazy. It makes me look at the entertainment business and just say Iím surrounded by a bunch of hypocrites.

When you ask me how would it affect them? I donít even think they realize what this is. Everyoneís gonna do their tributes, but the tributes now if you look at it, itís all because now everyone is going to get some spotlight, theyíre gonna get some shine. Now all of the sudden everyone wants to say something good about him.

Chris Yandek:
Everyone wants to be relevant.

Cory Rooney:
Everyone wants to be relevant and that sucks to me.

Chris Yandek:

After Ď93, should he have known better going on the Martin Bashir Documentary Living with Michael Jackson and saying itís ok to share your bed with a child? Donít you think most people are going to say in some senses well, he kind of set himself up for that?

Cory Rooney:
Let me explain to you what was said to me directly from Michael. Michael and I spoke about that. He said, ĎCory, when I was a kid, I was denied not only a childhood but I was denied love. When I reached out to hug my father, he didnít hug me back. When I was scared on an airplane, he didnít put his arm around me and say Michael, donít worry. Itís going to be ok. When I was scared to go on stage, he said, ĎGet your ass on this stage.í Not just him, but every other adult around him.

So he said to me ĎCory, I will never deny a child love and if it means that I have to be crucified or put in jail for it, then thatís just what theyíre gonna have to do.í When it was time for him to stand trial, the first time he went through it, his advisors told him, ĎMichael, this is not good. Pay this kid off and letís keep moving.í Second time he said, ĎYou know what? All that did was make me look guilty like I was hiding something. So this time there wonít be any payoffs. Iím going to fight this in court. Youíll see. Iíll be innocent.í

Right to the day when they finally had to read the verdict and the verdict was in, I talked to his family cause I remember watching on the news that Michael had 45 minutes to get there. So I spoke to some of his family members that were in the house with Michael. I said, ĎWell, what the hell is he doing?í Heís upstairs getting dressed. He came downstairs. He said a prayer with his family and he told everyone, ĎI want you guys not to worry about me because I will be ok.í

And he rode there, he had maybe a little nervous energy patting his feet, singing in the car and everything and he rode with his brother and his sister. But he wasnít worried. Iíll tell you something, I wouldíve been a mess. I donít even know if I could have stood up in court like that.Ē

Chris Yandek:
Chris, any thoughts on any of this?

Chris Apostle:
When I watched the Bashir thing last night, I just wanted to see what it was all about and reflect on it. When Martin asked him about the first incident where he paid off these accusers, I found it very ironic and I look unbelievably sincere and honest the way he said, ĎI just decided I wanted it to go away.í And he made it go away, which by the way again, not the first person to do this in the history of our business. He wanted to make it go away. The second time he fought.

But what Cory was saying going back to his childhood and stuff like that, he was reflecting on the fact that he had acne as a kid, which we all gone through at one phase of our life and how his pap would always sit there and make fun of his acne and his skin condition. Youíre talking about a young kid here who never had the chance to grow up and be normal. Kid grew up very differently than a lot of people. Granted heís Michael Jackson, but there is a lot of reasons why he had certain insecurities. As for his bit with the second thing, I believe a thousand percent, Iíll go to my grave with it that he was innocent completely. He was being blackmailed by that gentleman that wanted to be a screenwriter or write books or do movies, whatever. That was inside information thatís close around enough that I can say it.

Cory Rooney:
The Martin Bashir thing, I donít think people remember that a week later or maybe a few weeks later, Michael himself re-aired his own version of that show.

Chris Yandek:
And he had the whole thing because he was smart enough to video camera.

Cory Rooney:
He was smart enough to video camera it and it clearly showed that the guy just twisted everything and made it, he turned everything into a false or a lie. They ask Michael a question. Are you gay? And Michael said, ĎI donít want to answer that question.í Now that was the one that he said. So it quickly edited to Bashir going, ĎObviously he didnít want to answer for obvious reasons.í

So then when Michael showed his version, he said, ĎAre you gay?í Michael said, ĎI donít want to answer that question.í Then he said, ĎBut if you turn your camera off, I will answer your question.í Then the guy said ok, turn the camera off. Then Michael said, ĎNo. Absolutely not. I am not gay, but I have millions of gay fans and if they believe Iím gay, then let them believe Iím gay.í He said, ĎI donít care. I donít want to offend anybody.í You know?

Chris Apostle:
I gotta say something here, I canít believe at this point that these are even issues that are being discussed.

Cory Rooney:
Yeah. I mean this is crazy.

Chris Apostle:
Anything about what this man contributed to the world and I have a very good friend that Cory doesnít know that we know that was working on this tour with him, someone that worked with Cory with another diva in our lifetime and he said, ĎHe was looking better than ever.í He was struggling cause it was a long hard show, but this was going on. He canceled a couple of shows, fine. This guy had 50 shows lined up.

This was going. They were in Staples Center, full production. Youíre talking about a multi multi million dollar show. This was going. This poor kid goes home the night before and says he doesnít feel well and the next day heís taken from us. Iíll use a word that Cory used, probably the most devastating thing Iíve ever had to deal with in my life. I feel like my right one has been taken from me. People have to pay a little bit attention to what he contributed to the world and stop with all the Whacko Jacko stuff.

Cory Rooney:
But they wonít because thatís what they like better.

Chris Apostle:
Liza was very cool. I watched her the other night.

Chris Yandek:
Yeah. I watched her on Larry King.

Chris Apostle:
She sits there and says stop and she was talking to Larry King. She said stop, come on, letís celebrate for a little while. The stuff will come out, people will start flipping, youíll start hearing stuff, the books will start. Sonyís pressing records. Iím sure they got four plants going right now repressing all his records. Iím sorry. Iím just, Iíll let Cory take the floor here, Iím devastated by this. Iím sad. Iíve been very emotional and Iím going to go to my farmhouse this weekend where Cory, I have all the original vinyl and Iím pulling them all out. Someone has got to talk about what this man contributed and cut the crap.

Chris Yandek:
A lot of people say that maybe he wasnít the same after the second trial in 2005 and things kind of went downhill, went through all these personal issues and of course there were the rumored health issues in the recent years. Any thoughts or any knowledge of those situations?

Cory Rooney:
I know for a fact he had health issues. Thatís number one. Michael Jackson had other health issues that never were discussed like what is called dancerís feet.

Dancerís feet is when your feet over years of dancing, a dancer wraps their feet to dance. You wrap them in tape and things like that. But of course because you donít get enough oxygen skin dries up. Your skin starts to crack and splint, almost like paper cuts and Michael suffered bad with that.

What would happen is sometimes it be so bad heíd have to wrap his feet in a cast. Thatís why sometimes you would see him with a cast on. The pains of that was excruciating. And yeah, was he on the painkillers for that? Yeah. Iím sure he was. I never physically seen him take a pill or a painkiller, but Iíve definitely spoken to him about it. Now whatever the autopsy shows, whatever the true factor on how this man has gone from here becomes itís all still a result of what this business has done to him period. Itís all a result of what the business did to him.

Chris Yandek:
Fair to say that the business because he had all the financial issues that he was kind of pushed into a corner? He said he wanted to do 10 shows, but then it became 50 for this thing in London that was supposed to happen next month. Did he feel like he was backed in a corner because he had to fulfill financial issues?

Chris Apostle:
Listen, Iím sure he decided to do this comeback tour and net a bunch of cash, which he honestly deserves to have. I still think that like Cory said, he was pushed to the brink by people that were extremely powerful and he was not treated fairly. We always started in this business and someone Cory and I knew very well said, ĎYou canít do anything in this business without the artist even if the artist are what you considered to be the worst thing in the world and stuff like that. You still need the artist.í Well, it seems to me the big cheeses in the business forgot that at some point where he was concerned.

Cory Rooney:
This was years ago. Iím going to go back probably eight years ago and Michael told me, ĎCory, I canít tour anymore. Iím not gonna tour anymore. Ok?í I said, Ďwhy Mike?í He said, ĎBecause it will kill me.í Thatís what he said to me. He said, ĎIt will kill me.í Why would you say something like that? He said, ĎWell, remember when I was preparing for my concert and I passed out at the Sony Studio?í He said, ĎWell, itís because when I get ready for a tour I get dehydrated. I donít eat. I donít drink. I donít sleep. I put so much of myself into preparing for a tour.í

He said, ĎIím not doing it on purpose. This is just something I donít think about anymore. You understand? Iíve just become so driven that I canít even think about these things anymore. They made me walk around with an IV last time. He said, ĎSo I just decided, my doctors decided that maybe you shouldnít do this anymore. He said he wanted to make the Invincible album work to the point where that was it. Heís done with the tour. Heís gonna do this Invincible album. He wanted to continue to put out albums. He said, ĎIíll do albums till I canít do it anymore, but I just canít tour.í

Chris Yandek:
Is it fair to say the downfall of Michael Jackson were people who were greedy and obviously wanted the 85 million dollars that the ticket sales had sold for the thing over in London for example? Is it fair to say that greed got the best of him and other people that were forced into a situation?

Cory Rooney:
I wouldnít call it greed. I just donít think he had a choice. I think financially, sometimes we all do what we have to do. Itís the same reason that a boxer like Joe Lewis would go in after he was long into retirement. Joe Lewis still got in the ring and had to fight cause he had no money. Iím not saying Michael didnít have any money.

Chris Yandek:
But he owed 400 million dollars.

Cory Rooney:
But he did have debt. He definitely had debt. Ok, when you got debt and you got people hawking you down and doing all this stuff, ok Michael, one more tour and letís clean up this debt. Ok, well you know what? The person that he is, the entertainer he is, well letís get to work.

Chris Yandek:
Itís a surprise to many, but at the same time is it one of these great tragedies weíre gonna look back upon and say he had all the highs but he had all the lows also?

Cory Rooney:
I would say my deepest prayer to ask God to just give this man peace and hope that his legacy lives on and itís untainted with all the bullshit if I can say. But Iím afraid that forever itís always going to be a problem. Just like there is always all kinds of crazy things said about whatever, Elvis Presley.

Chris Yandek:
How he died.

Cory Rooney:

How he died.

Chris Yandek:
The conspiracy theories.

Cory Rooney:

A conspiracy theory. How did Bruce Lee die? How did Marilyn Monroe die? You know what Iím saying? Michaelís not comparable to these people. I would say Elvis Presley is the closest youíll get to that. It had to be in Elvis Presleyís career even from Michael to stand on those shoulders and move beyond that. Iím not gonna discredit Elvis Presley, but theyíre two different people. Michael, as far as Iím concerned, surpassed Elvis and everything that Elvis was about a long time ago.

And he stood for something different. No one talks about when he did the Victory tour, I remember as a kid Michael being on tour with the Victory tour right? And every night on the news they would announce that Michael Jackson donated his money from every city that he did, he donated it to a new charity. He donated his money from the Victory tour to charities. I thought that was amazing. Iím like, wow! This guys donating millions of dollars every night to a new charity. Then he would stop in every city and every city he would stop at a hospital and visit kids that were burned, ill or whatever. He took the time to do all that.

Chris Yandek:
Chris, any thoughts?

Cory Rooney:
Two things. Comparing the Elvis Michael comparisons are obvious considering what they were to the American culture and actually the world culture. Differences, Elvis I believe died at 42. And Elvis, the most money heís ever made was after he died, far more than while he was alive. Go back to the highs and the lows, all artists have highs and lows. Most of the lows are generally contributed to the lack of creativity, the skill diminishes, the body goes, etcÖetc. Michael had the highest of highs and if you remember the highest of highs, thereís never gonna be anything like that in our life.

Number one, the albums were brilliant. The performances were brilliant. He was brilliant. He was an icon, probably the most famous person in the world. I think his lows werenít totally attributed to creative decline. I think the lows were forced upon him and he was put into caves and holes and by people doing things to him. That to me is really sad. Artists get old like athletes. They change.

They go on different tours. They start playing the casinos. They start picking up the city festivals, the package tours, etc. This guy was forced, he was forced to go lower than an artist should ever have to go. It wasnít because of lack of skill. Something about Michael that people donít realize is I would call him a musicologist.

This guy knew every song, ever recording, every studio, the whole Sun Studios thing, Memphis, Motown, New York, LA, everywhere. He knew everything. The musicians. The instruments. The mics. No one talks about this. No one discusses this and itís unbelievable. And by the way, unlike Elvis, this guy was doing it still for 43 years. 43 years Chris. My God man.

Chris Yandek:
I think looking at this whole industry and the way things have been moving forward now and itís more about the name value as you like to call it the bonafide musical talent. Is the music industry crumbling? Thereís talents out there that are going to do well always, but is it crumbling in a sense that we donít have these huge identities, these larger than life figures anymore? Itís just kind of one act after another.

Cory Rooney:
I feel like because of the newfound independence that the internet has given us all. I think weíre in kind of like in a whole new revamping stage.

Chris Yandek:
A transitional stage.

Cory Rooney:
Well, I always say itís a transitional stage sure. But when I say revamping or I would say an incubating stage because right now weíre about to witness the rebirth of real music. Thatís because there was a time when you can have an Earth, Wind, and Fire like or Michael Jackson like Off the Wall sounding record that someone worked their ass off for independently and it sounds good. A record company wouldnít even give it the chance because if it didnít sound like Chris Brown or Rihanna thatís not what they were looking for.

Now independently when that becomes the most played thing on the internet and people have no choice but to role with it, record companies start to get behind it. Weíll be back to people not being pigeon held or feeling like they have to follow suit or whatís going on just going on just to get a deal.

Chris Yandek:
Chris, your thoughts?

Chris Apostle:
Itís been a longer transition than most people would expect. The industry is not dying. And if you look at certain aspects of it, Live Nation is having their biggest years now with the touring industry with the 360 deals itís obviously different for artists, labels, etc. The labels, you used to have creative people working under the executives and labels, but now you have the executives maintaining their salaries by making sure they have no staff. I went to see a group tonight in New York, a kid thatís showing up all over the place. Every label was there. It was all low level people with no signing power. Itís different. They canít sign bands. They can sign one band at a time.

As for the internet and stuff like that, I have an opinion about the fact that all the genius that we all profess to myself, Cory, and everyone that we worked with five to six years ago this industry suddenly decided that I liken to it like this. Trying to sell the public Ė remember the car the Hugo?

Chris Yandek:
Yes.

Cory Rooney:
Yea.

Chris Apostle:
Sitting there saying, ĎYou know what? Weíve come up with this great car. Itís a Hugo.í And people are like, oh wait, Iíve heard there is this really cool car out of Germany called a Mercedes, noÖnoÖno, you want to have the Hugo. But wait, I hear BMW makes a pretty good car, I hear Chevrolet, Escalade is really hot, whatever. NoÖnoÖ.no, you want the Hugo.

The industry that we worked in that came up with all these huge artists Michael included, the U2s, the Bruce Springsteen's, the Dylans suddenly decided, you know what?

Weíre gonna give you Lindsay Lohan. Weíre gonna give you Paris Hilton. Weíre gonna give you Kelly Osbourne. And the public sat there and said, ĎThis is the best you have to offer? Iím not paying $17.99 for this. To hell with this, Iíll steal one song off the internet.

And the labels were slow to come to form realizing it was changing and now theyíre getting screwed because of it. Fans are doing it independently Chris. Theyíre doing it differently. If you notice the live concert situation, the records that sell, if you look at the top 40 SoundScan youíll probably see five country artists, five Disney artists, two or three older artists, live people listen to Bruce Springsteen, U2. Why do you think quote on quote country Keith Urban is so popular? Itís not that people like country and Keith Urban is definitely not country, itís a singer-songwriter. They want to hear songs. Talking about Michael, he made songs. The bands that last for a record, they donít have songs. They donít have staying power.

When youíre 21 years old, I always ask people, name five artists under the age of 20 that were truly geniuses? And they sit there and ponder everything. I sit there and say ok, Iíll give you a few, Stevie Wonder, Prince, Michael Jackson, a Mariah Carey that was truly legitimate at that time in her career and there is one or two others, but you see where Iím going with this. Now you have every band out that is 20 year olds and they canít play.

Cory Rooney:
Being the producer, what you find is, see, I grew up in my household when I was a kid, the Isley Brothers would be in my living room rehearsing with my dad. My dad was a producer as well. I grew up and I couldnít wait to get in the business and kind of do it that way. And then all of a sudden I got in the business and I found well Cory, thatís kinda like too much. People donít want to hear the live band thing and the live instrument thing. So all of a sudden I had to teach myself, force myself how to make music based on eight bar loops and write things repeat around, repetition.

Chris Yandek:
You felt like you were dumbing yourself down.

Cory Rooney:
I had to dumb myself because when I first started producing, I was producing strictly to make some money to take care of my family. So I had to follow suit. I was never everÖever happy. I got very happy when I got the chance to work with the Mariah Carey or a Michael Jackson or someone like that because I knew I could be me.

Thereís been artists that will remain nameless that itís like Iíve had to just sit there and just do it basically because itís for a check and not for love.

Chris Apostle:
You also grew up surrounded by monster players.

Cory Rooney:
Oh absolutely.

Chris Apostle:
Chris, Cory never mentions this and heíll never mention it, one of the things Iím most impressed by musically is Iíll go to his house and heíll sit at the piano without the musical training and I came from the classical training. Cory can sit down and play the whole Stevie Wonder book note for note.

Cory Rooney:
But you know whatís crazy? When I was a kid, I remember seeing the guy walk down the street like with a base guitar on his back or I remember seeing a guy carrying like in his car like heís got his drums or this and I was fascinated like wow! This guyís a musician. Now, a guy walks out with a base on his back, walk in studio sessions and someone will laugh at him. Like, where the hell you going to? What is this? A parade? What are you doing? They donít get it. A horn player, like they donít exist anymore.

Chris Apostle:
Oh, you canít make a living.

Cory Rooney:
Yeah. I feel like now that the internet is what it is. Itís ok to make those records because now theyíll get past those gates that where people go, oh, Iím sorry. We donít allow that music here. Now itís gonna go past that right over their heads and be out there and all of a sudden youíre gonna start hearing music that sounds so organic, so good, so stimulating that itís going to go right back where it needs to be.

Chris Apostle:
Here is a good one for you guys. You both know Steve Lukather, the guy that played most of the guitar on all of Michaelís records. He was the leader of the Toto, etc.

His son is 19 years old. This kid grew up in Los Angeles four houses down from Eddie Van Halen. His father did every record from Boz Scaggs to Michael Jackson to Lionel Ritchie. You name it his dad has played on them. This kid is the most brilliant prodigy, rock and roll guitar player in the world today. He canít get arrested. He canít get arrested. I would put him up against anyone and people hear him and theyíre horrified, he canít get arrested.

Cory Rooney:
Yeah. I know. Itís disgusting.

Chris Apostle:
But the players, listen itís changing yes, but fine. The industry sold 1.3 billion records last year instead of 1.5.

Cory Rooney:
Itís all a hoax. I just want you to know that if you really do some research and look at the statistics on the amount of records sold in the industry now versus over the last 20 years, weíre only down by like a few million records. Itís like 10 percent. Itís nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. All of that internet nonsense is just a hoax because the record companies, the majors always felt like, ĎWait a minute. If we donít start to put the word out and keep people off the internet, weíre going to lose ground here.

Chris Apostle:
Oh I got blasted at Sony once and Iíll say this. I made a suggestion once we should allow every new artist to have their first single downloaded as many times as we want, the fans want for free. ĎSo, well, you donít want to work here very long.í I said, no. I do. He said, ĎWell, our publishing division isnít going to like that and neither are the artists.í I said, you know what? Maybe youíll get three out of five.
Maybe youíll get two out of three that love the artist, want to buy the single and do this, but this was after talking to my niece whoís like 13 at the time. I said, ĎWhat record store do you go to?í She goes, ĎRecord store?í Well, there is a Coconuts around there. A Sam Goodyís still in that time. She goes, ĎI havenít been to a record store in three years.í I said, ĎYou got 100 CDs in your room.í ĎI get them off the computer.í

Chris Yandek:
Because sheís buying it from Amazon.com.

Cory Rooney:
Thatís whatís happening. Amazon.com, Itunes, whatever. Iím telling you, music is going to get really good now. Itís gonna get interesting. Itís gonna get good and everyone is going to see because I donít know if you got a chance to see what BET tried to do the other night.

Chris Yandek:
It was horrible. It was a train wreck.

Cory Rooney:
It was a train wreck. It was horrible. It just made no sense. Let me tell you the shame of it all. The best performance of it that night was The O'Jays and theyíre old guys but they just bring the truth. Everything else is just garbage.

Chris Yandek:
The Beatles, The Supremes, those are acts that are part of music history. And you look at the acts today and youíre gonna say to yourself, how many of these acts are we really going to remember in 50 years?

Cory Rooney:
No oneís special right now. The OíJays were special. The Beatles were special. Why were they special? Because they sat down and worked on being special. The combination of John Lennon and Paul McCartney writing and I donít know if you ever pay attention to the fact that they always were kind of like opposite or contrary of each other. Thatís what made it crazy. It was brilliant.

Chris Yandek:
And now everybody just wants to go make a record, collect a paycheck, and go home.

Cory Rooney:
Oh yeah. Eight bars and everyone has the audacity to say that Chris Brown is the next Michael Jackson.

Chris Yandek:
Are you freaking kidding me?

Chris Apostle:
But theyíre serious.

Chris Yandek:
I know, but Iím saying are you freaking kidding me? They might be serious, but are you freaking kidding me?

Cory Rooney:
Thatís the way I felt about it. I really can get into this whole thing and go crazy about it, but I said to myself for years ok. Thereís times when I try and be different, but thereís other times where I sit there in the studio and say I cannot believe that Iím working with this person and this is what it is. And they all have the nerve to have attitudes.

Then you work with a guy like Michael Jackson who when he was late, he was supposed to be in the studio at twelve and he showed up about quarter to one. He felt so terrible for being late he apologized the whole session. The next day he sent a big giant basket because weíre talking about movies and that how much I love movies. So he sent me this giant basket.

Chris Yandek:
With all these different movies in it.

Cory Rooney:
Oh my goodness, it probably had 100 DVDs. It had popcorn, candy, all kinds of books and movie trivia, all kinds of stuff. Again the card said, ĎIím very sorry for not respecting your time.í

Chris Yandek:
Itís the thought that counts. Absolutely!

Cory Rooney:
Right. I would say Mike, what time do you want to start tomorrow? He said, ĎCory, youíre the boss. You tell me what time. If you want me here seven in the morning, I will be here at seven in the morning.í He said, ĎYou are the boss. Whatever you tell me.í

Chris Yandek:
What I find interesting about those comments is the way the mainstream media projects it is that he wanted to always do things his way.

Cory Rooney:
Not at all, not at all. Thatís what I said. Itís like if the world would just stop and just really pay attention.

Chris Apostle:
Stepping back a minute and talking about whatís out there now is Iím horrified to think of the Michael Jackson tributes thatís gonna come out. Iím horrified to think of what his family may attempt to put out. Iím horrified to think of what records the labels are gonna attempt to put together.

Cory Rooney:
The one thing that Iím looking forward to coming out is Michael had been sitting on all of the footage of the Victory tour because he owns all of the footage of the Victory tour. I used to beg him all the time please. As a matter of fact, I do have a DVD unedited. Itís the straight footage for you.

Chris Apostle:
Maybe Cory will play it for you some time.

Chris Yandek:
Or heíll let me borrow it and Iíll promise Iíll return it later.

Cory Rooney:
Itís amazing. The guy did not lip synch. His voice sounded so amazing. Itís ridiculous. He did all the dancing. He did all the stuff like that. Itís just that he conditioned himself to be able to do that.

Chris Apostle:
Only one artist that Iíve ever seen and itís an entirely different animal that Iíve ever seen two plus hours on stage and Michael usually went two and a half. At least that one concert we watched was close to two and a half in Brazil, the only one thatís close to that and pulled it off single handedly and did all the work, Bruce Springsteen. He never stopped.

He never leaves the stage. When Michael was leaving the stage it was for one minute to change his clothes and it was a real one minute. It wasnít the ten minutes. It was the 12 beauty police in there. He was back on. By the way, has anybody bothered speaking of dancersí feet? Has anybody bothered to look how this kid danced? Who idolized Michael Jackson? Fred Astaire. I mean come on.Ē

Cory Rooney:
Itís so many stories. Itís so many things. Michael, he loved to sit and tell stories. He loved to talkÖtalkÖtalk about everything. Every time he came to like a city or something I remember he wanted to go to the bookstore. They closed the bookstore down. Heíd go to get books. Heíd read. Heíd educate me on Africa and how beautiful Africa is. He said, ĎYou know, people donít want you to know how beautiful Africa is because theyíre over there robbing it of all its riches.í But he said, ĎItís the most beautiful place Iíve ever been in my life.í He brought me pictures. Itís just amazing. Remember Chris, David Blaine buried himself alive?

Chris Apostle:
Yeah. Sure. He used to hang out on our floor at Sony. You donít remember, but he used to hang out up there around the time your friend 50 Cent was running getting us coffee.

Chris Yandek:
This is a very random story, but continue.

Cory Rooney:
So David Blaine buried himself alive in the city over by the Trump building.

Chris Yandek:
Trump National Towers.

Cory Rooney:
Right. When I told Michael that was going on, he was like, ĎYou gotta be kidding?í I said, Iím telling you. He didnít even know who David Blaine was. I started like sending for like video footage and everything because we didnít have YouTube then. I started sending for footage to explain to him who David Blaine was. He was so fascinated. We got in a van that night and we went to see David Blaine late at night. We went over there.

We jumped out the van and he like a kinda partial disguise and no one really knew it was him. He jumped out and walked right over there and we sat there and he was fascinated by it. It was funny. Then we were laughing because sometimes he said, ĎYou know what? Half the time someone is going to think itís an impersonator and not me anyway. Sometimes I can just jump out.

Chris Yandek:
You seem to have had a lot of personal conversations with him, but did you ever talk with about the plastic surgery?

Cory Rooney:
Yup.

Chris Yandek:
And what did he tell you?

Cory Rooney:
He said, ĎWhatís the difference in me and Sylvester Stallone and anybody else in Hollywood?í He said, ĎSo what?í He said, ĎMy skin disease, I donít want to be white.í He said, ĎThatís not what Iím trying to do.í He said, ĎBut I couldnít help my skin disease.í He said, ĎI did try a surgery to even it all out and do things like that that did not turn out the way I wanted it to turn out, but thatís not the reason I turned into a light skinned black man.í As far as my nose he said, ĎI hated my nose just like Sylvester Stallone hated his.í

Chris Apostle:
Look what he said his father told him.

Cory Rooney:
Yeah. He said, ĎI hated my chin. I hated my nose.í He said, ĎAnd so what?í He said, ĎWhy is it just me?í He said, ĎWhy is it just me?í He said, ĎI can show you 20 people in Hollywood thatís got nose jobs, lip jobs, botox, all kinds of stuff.í

Chris Yandek:
Is there anything else youíd like to share?

Chris Apostle:
The only thing I want to share, my uncle used to be real close friends with Bill Cosby. In the late 60s he handed me one of the first records I ever had. I think the first record I ever had was The Monkeys. He handed me a Michael Jackson Bill Cosby record that they did. I still have it. Itís kind of like a yellow submarine with a beautiful booklet inside. One of the most cherished possessions I have and I canít wait to see it on Saturday.

On my thoughts with Michael Jackson regarding anything else, I just hope that the landslide is going to come out in the next couple of weeks. I hope that some people start discussing all the good that he did because if you weigh the good against the bad, heís the most famous person in the world. Itís been on TV 24/7 for six days.

Thatís just my hope. God bless him and let him rest in peace and weíll all see him someday later in our life and Iím sure heíll be singing and dancing his ass off.

Cory Rooney:
As far as Iím concerned, actually Sunday I went to church and I spoke to my pastor at my church cause I wanted to be clear on something. I wanted to make sure that Iím not going to get attacked or get any trouble by expressing myself the way Iíve been expressing myself. I said, not to compare anyone to Christ because there is no comparison to Christ. If you just look at a second this world that we live in within Godís world which is called the entertainment world.

Chris Yandek:
Yeah. Fair enough.

Cory Rooney:
Michael, to me, I can only tell you to me and Iím sure I can get you dozens and dozens and dozens and hundreds of thousands of people who feel the same. Michael Jackson was like a Christ like figure for us. To know that this man over the last 15 years has been torn down, crucified, slandered, badmouthed, everyone would rather talk about something negative like he wanted to buy the elephant manís bones. So what? You know what? I would buy them too.

Chris Apostle:
Me too.

Cory Rooney:
I think itís cool. I would do it too. But because it was him, they always had some negative instead of positive. My heart is completely broken. My inspiration, the light of inspiration that I once had from a kid is completely dim at this point for me. I donít know because I was not one of the disciples or whatever that followed behind Christ and had to look at him being crucified and hung from a cross.

But Iím sure their hearts were just as broken as well and my heart is broken. Moving forward with this business, all I can say is that Iím happy that there is a time we live in where we can kinda do things independently and we donít have to deal with the hypocrites as much, but we are surrounded by hypocrites in this business. Itís just a tragedy. I always wondered what it would be like if something God forbid happened to Michael. I donít think I ever really wanted to feel it. I just always kind of wondered like my goodness, what would happen? Well, here we are. And so far everything thatís happened is pretty much exactly what I thought what was going to happen.

Chris Apostle:
Cory and I speak countless times every day. We have basically for the last 20 years.

Chris Yandek:
I can tell.

Chris Apostle:
When this happened as I was emailing Cory and at one moment I got his wife on the phone but that was it. I didnít hear from Cory for three days. Emails, phone calls, no answer. I knew that he was mourning and I was distraught about this.

Cory Rooney:
Because I cried for three days.

Chris Apostle:
He called me up Monday morning and I think itís a very appropriate quote here, ĎOk, itís Monday. We gotta go back to work because Michael wouldíve gone back to work.í

Cory Rooney:
And thatís the truth.

Chris Apostle:
Very poignant to me.

Cory Rooney:
Michael wouldíve gone back to work. Like I said, he took his bumps, he took his bruises. He was one of the toughest men I ever met, and thatís the truth. He was a rugged tough guy. There was nothing timid about Michael Jackson.

Chris Yandek:
Youíve told me a different story that the mainstream media is totally not focused on. What youíre saying to me is the industry is not totally focusing on really how important this guy was as a whole?

Cory Rooney:
Nope.

Chris Apostle:
Nope. Not even close.

Cory Rooney:
Theyíre not even scratching the surface.

Chris Yandek:
As you know in this 24 hour news cycle, itís about what I put out, how quickly do I put it out and whoís listening.

Cory Rooney:
I think they go off the fact like everything else in the world. This news, itís the very reason National Enquirer exists.

Chris Yandek:
Still exists. Iím not sure if either of you heard, but Vibe Magazine for example folded today. With the tabloid outlets online, I would not be surprised if the National Enquirer would join that list. I donít know if you guys know this, but theyíve been having financial issues in the last six months also. Regardless, itís all going online.

Cory Rooney:
Well, I believe that anyway and thatís what I said. You know what? It gives the freedom to people like yourself to be able do something right.

Chris Yandek:
Yeah. Sure, on the record.

Cory Rooney:
Instead of trying to follow suit to say the Enquirer, Star Magazine, they position them right like at that cash register when you go in and it says some crazy shit on the title on the cover. Michael Jackson sleeps in the hyperbaric chamber.

Chris Apostle:
No. Itís Obamaís gay last week.

Cory Rooney:
Thatís what Iím saying, enough of that. I think theyíre always going to opt for the lowest form instead of saying letís do a head count and see how many children Michael Jackson changed their life or did anything. Hereís a last fact that no one ever touched on. Both the boys that allegedly accused Michael were both kids that were involved in or their parents were in prior scams or something like that.

Chris Yandek:
I remember the recent one, she tried to get her kids to fall over like in JCPenney and sue for harmful injury or something like that.

Cory Rooney:
Yeah and then they tried to do something with George Lopez. They tried to say that he stole their money out of the comedy store when they were at the comedy stores. He said they robbed one of their wallets and stole from them.

Chris Yandek:
Looking back on that, it was mentioned for 10 seconds and that was mentioned once.

Cory Rooney:
Because itís not important to the public.

Chris Yandek:
Cause itís not somebody important to the public because theyíre not somebody prominent who anyoneís going to care about. Who is the person again?

Chris Apostle:
The media started this media frenzy, it started with OJ Simpson. It sagged into Bill Clinton. They basically beat the heck out of Bill Clinton. They went after George Bush who I did not like who I didnít support, but they did a really good job on him. Now theyíll go after Michael Jackson and donít kid yourself, in a year or two theyíre going to go after my president also.

Cory Rooney:
Well, they went after Michael Jordan with the gambling.

Chris Yandek:
He had gambling and infidelity and thatís nothing surprising, honestly anyways for the world of sports and entertainment. Thatís their business.

Cory Rooney:
They do stupid things. Kobe Bryant really fuck** up. He really fuck** up. You understand? But it destroyed him. Right away they ushered in, oh here comes king Lebron James.

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